Gemini6Ice (18:07:07): aim died
Gemini6Ice (18:07:08): back
jonnyboi987 (18:07:17): cool
jonnyboi987 (18:08:38): i find it defeating because it reinforces the notion that brown ppl don't have a place in the gay world or the straight
Gemini6Ice (18:08:38): Bobscan!
jonnyboi987 (18:08:47): huh?
jonnyboi987 (18:08:52): umm, ok
Gemini6Ice (18:10:19): Then do something about it
jonnyboi987 (18:10:29): like what?
jonnyboi987 (18:10:35): ignorance is here to stay
Gemini6Ice (18:10:42): Like, write a letter to xy asking to have more black guys in their model spreads
jonnyboi987 (18:10:49): oh please
jonnyboi987 (18:11:02): don't be rediculous
Gemini6Ice (18:11:06): *rid
Gemini6Ice (18:11:13): How is that ridiculous
Gemini6Ice (18:11:23): The customer has a right to express his opinion
Gemini6Ice (18:11:35): and if its what readership wants, they'll probably do it
Gemini6Ice (18:11:38): *it's
jonnyboi987 (18:11:45): cus it won't alter any of the reader's opinions
Gemini6Ice (18:12:08): I'm sure they don't receive any "please don't put any black boiz in this mag!"
jonnyboi987 (18:12:16): the fact is that every1 wants a justin timberlake
Gemini6Ice (18:12:20): So you win the vote
jonnyboi987 (18:12:33): THAT'S what it all comes down to
jonnyboi987 (18:12:47): it doesn't matter what i do, i still lose
jonnyboi987 (18:12:55): period
Gemini6Ice (18:13:01): So then why are you mad at xy?
jonnyboi987 (18:13:07): i'm not
Gemini6Ice (18:13:22): You say they reinforce negative ideas, but you're not willing to speak out against those ideas either
jonnyboi987 (18:13:53): what for?
jonnyboi987 (18:14:12): i'm telling u, aren't i?
Gemini6Ice (18:14:46): there's a difference between acting against things you feel are negative, and simply bitching about them
Gemini6Ice (18:14:54): I went to one SPECTRUM meeting at BU
Gemini6Ice (18:15:11): all they did was sit around and make fun of bthe chancellor who disbanded the BU Academy's GSA
Gemini6Ice (18:15:21): instead of actually protesting against it
Gemini6Ice (18:16:01): if you don't do something about the things you're dissatisfied w/, and simply complain about them, what you're doing essentially boils down to whining
jonnyboi987 (18:16:53): true, but if u already realize an impending downfall, there's no point to pursuing anything
jonnyboi987 (18:17:19): and it's not thinking negatively, it's being realistic
Gemini6Ice (18:17:24): if everybody felt that way, the entire world would just sit around with its thumb up is ass
Gemini6Ice (18:17:30): *its
Gemini6Ice (18:17:44): "well, there's already pollution. there's no point to recycling"
Gemini6Ice (18:17:53): nothing is over and done w/
Gemini6Ice (18:17:55): hmph
Gemini6Ice (18:18:24): "well, there are murders all the time. there's no point in having a police force to try to prevent them"
jonnyboi987 (18:18:38): oh please, u can't compare them
Gemini6Ice (18:18:39): "firemen don't always save everyone. let's get rid of them too"
jonnyboi987 (18:18:49): you're exaggerating
Gemini6Ice (18:19:01): yes, using the same line of argument you're using
Gemini6Ice (18:19:09): to show how preposterous your defeatist attitude is
Gemini6Ice (18:19:19): a defeatist attitude will alwqays result in defeat
Gemini6Ice (18:19:30): attempting to do something may not always work
Gemini6Ice (18:19:36): but you at least have a shot at it that way
Gemini6Ice (18:19:41): as opposed to not even trying
Gemini6Ice (18:20:02): realizing the world sucks is a realistic attitude
Gemini6Ice (18:20:11): thinking nothing can be done about it is a pessimistic one
jonnyboi987 (18:21:53): no, it's a sensible one. and how dare u label me prepostetous. u accuse me of being presumptuos, and then u turn around and do the same thing. i am not a defeatist, despite what u may believe
jonnyboi987 (18:22:17): *presumptuous
Gemini6Ice (18:22:33): ... *sweatdrop* I never made any claims about your life, only your attitudes
Gemini6Ice (18:23:21): that's quite different from assuming that I've never been rejected or that I have things so easy
Gemini6Ice (18:23:44): Your attitude and personality can be demonstrated over IM
jonnyboi987 (18:23:50): the fact remains that i have been defeated. perhaps u have a flickering flame inside you, but that flame has blown out inside of me
Gemini6Ice (18:23:56): and therefore, I'm in position to form opinions about that
Gemini6Ice (18:24:15): but what defeated you?
Gemini6Ice (18:24:47): And compare everything you've said to the definition of defeatist
Gemini6Ice (18:24:53): the dictionary definition
jonnyboi987 (18:25:14): fine, label me, i don't give a fuck anymore
Gemini6Ice (18:25:36): Hm.
Gemini6Ice (18:25:43): You need a copy of one of my favorite buttons
Gemini6Ice (18:25:54): it's from the vietnam war
Gemini6Ice (18:25:58): "Give a damn."
Gemini6Ice (18:26:02): I love it
jonnyboi987 (18:26:32): which i do, but it will never be reciprocated
Gemini6Ice (18:26:33): It's on my wall right next to "What if they gave a war, and nobody came..."
Gemini6Ice (18:27:08): so you give a damn, but not a fuck? ^_-
jonnyboi987 (18:27:41): exactly. excellent arithmetic
jonnyboi987 (18:29:11): and tell me, what is my "attitude and personality"
Gemini6Ice (18:29:55): You think that society is still, as a whole, racist, espeically gay society, and because of your belief in that, you also think (rather defeatistly) that it can never change.
jonnyboi987 (18:31:44): let me ask u, do u believe it can change?
Gemini6Ice (18:32:32): sure
Gemini6Ice (18:32:40): you'll never get 100% absolute anything
Gemini6Ice (18:33:04): but everything is susceptible to change
jonnyboi987 (18:33:29): i don't believe ppl are
jonnyboi987 (18:33:39): especially not americans
Gemini6Ice (18:33:40): individuals?
jonnyboi987 (18:34:11): yes
Gemini6Ice (18:34:31): yeah, but individuals also die
jonnyboi987 (18:34:51): they're martyrs
Gemini6Ice (18:37:11): ?
jonnyboi987 (18:38:39): nothing
Gemini6Ice (18:39:05): society can change
Gemini6Ice (18:39:11): as a whole
jonnyboi987 (18:39:21): no, it cannout
Gemini6Ice (18:39:34): so are you saying it hasn't?
jonnyboi987 (18:39:45): no, i'm not saying that
Gemini6Ice (18:39:50): so if it HAS
Gemini6Ice (18:39:54): then it obviously IS ABLE TO
jonnyboi987 (18:40:13): i believe it has changed, but not as a whole
Gemini6Ice (18:40:31): how has it not
Gemini6Ice (18:40:33): it's never changed ENTIRELY
Gemini6Ice (18:40:37): but I mean the big picture
Gemini6Ice (18:40:39): by whole
jonnyboi987 (18:40:47): perhaps
Gemini6Ice (18:40:54): if you look at the average opinions of society
jonnyboi987 (18:41:46): but the glamour magazines have remained constant, and xy will remain constant
jonnyboi987 (18:42:07): until everyone's the same color
Gemini6Ice (18:44:15): Go look at one from 1950
jonnyboi987 (18:44:34): exactly my point
jonnyboi987 (18:44:40): practically the same
jonnyboi987 (18:44:48): it's all or nothing
Gemini6Ice (18:44:51): hardly
Gemini6Ice (18:45:05): the only thing that's the same is their vapidness
jonnyboi987 (18:45:29): vapidity, actually
Gemini6Ice (18:45:38): and people in magazines are definitely less white now than in the '50s
jonnyboi987 (18:46:01): not true. what color r most models?
Gemini6Ice (18:46:07): no
Gemini6Ice (18:46:09): it's vapidness
jonnyboi987 (18:46:18): no, it's not
Gemini6Ice (18:46:23): go look it up
jonnyboi987 (18:46:54): it's both
Gemini6Ice (18:47:26): oh
Gemini6Ice (18:47:33): hehe
Gemini6Ice (18:47:35): I looked it up
Gemini6Ice (18:47:37): and saw vapidness
jonnyboi987 (18:47:43): so maybe the word serves as an indication that we are both right
Gemini6Ice (18:47:43): my eyes blurred right over vapidity
jonnyboi987 (18:47:50): i beat u to it!
jonnyboi987 (18:47:52): ha!
Gemini6Ice (18:48:04): (I looked it up before I argued the point.)
Gemini6Ice (18:48:24): I wasn't going to say "no, it's vapidness" if the dictionary didn't have it
Gemini6Ice (18:48:28): that would be QUITE embarassing
Gemini6Ice (18:48:30): :0
jonnyboi987 (18:48:45): i looked it up before i corrected u, on my word processor. a squiggly red line came under it
jonnyboi987 (18:49:18): maybe it's just not in the word processor, i'll have to add it
Gemini6Ice (18:49:41): Yeah, i don't trust microsoft at all
jonnyboi987 (18:49:53): the bastards
jonnyboi987 (18:50:14): i'm gonna go look at your pic again
jonnyboi987 (18:50:28): just to confirm with myself about my convictions
Gemini6Ice (18:50:37): that I'm white?
Gemini6Ice (18:50:38): :/
jonnyboi987 (18:50:52): o, yea, exactly :::smirk:::
Gemini6Ice (18:52:18): and you could always make your own vapid, gay glamour magazine and fill it with black guys and just a white guy here and there
Gemini6Ice (18:52:27): That's always an option
Gemini6Ice (18:52:27): ^_-
jonnyboi987 (18:52:34): stop it!!
jonnyboi987 (18:54:04): yep, found u. everything i said, i'd say again
Gemini6Ice (18:54:18): base don a picture??
Gemini6Ice (18:54:20): *based on
Gemini6Ice (18:54:30): and you don't call THAT shallow?
jonnyboi987 (18:54:43): no, it's observant
jonnyboi987 (18:54:49): not shallow
Gemini6Ice (18:55:26): making judgments about my life base don a picture?
Gemini6Ice (18:55:37): you can't observe someone's life though a picture
jonnyboi987 (18:56:18): no, but i can sure as hell surmise
Gemini6Ice (18:56:58): another word for assume
jonnyboi987 (18:57:21): no, it's sooo not.
Gemini6Ice (18:58:03): Entry:   
surmise

Function:   
verb

Definition:   
conclude

Synonyms:   
assume, conjecture, consider, deduce, fancy, guess, guesstimate, hypothesize, imagine, infer, opine, presume, pretend, regard, risk assuming, speculate, spitball, suppose, suspect, theorize, think
Gemini6Ice (18:58:27): notice how "pulling it out of your ass" is a general theme of those synonyms?
Gemini6Ice (18:58:41): or to conclude without evidence or foundation
jonnyboi987 (18:59:17): excuse me, but i certainly spot the word "guess" in that, which is what i've succeeded at doing
Gemini6Ice (18:59:40): No, you haven't succeeded
Gemini6Ice (18:59:45): most of your guesses have been wrong
jonnyboi987 (19:00:29): they have been correct, it has just been your veritable unwillingness to admit it
Gemini6Ice (19:01:25): You have the gall to claim that you assumptions about my life, with me being a person you haven't even MET, are necessarily right despite my own knowledge that they're not?
Gemini6Ice (19:01:30): *your assumptions
Gemini6Ice (19:02:04): If I were a hasty blocker, I'd probably do that about now
Gemini6Ice (19:02:18): but I like to reserve doing that for people that really piss me off
Gemini6Ice (19:02:29): and you're not there
Gemini6Ice (19:02:30): ^_-
Gemini6Ice (19:02:31): sorry
jonnyboi987 (19:02:37): ok, did u not just deduce a while ago my "attitude and personality," AND call me preposterous, based on IMing back and forth
Gemini6Ice (19:03:09): Attitudes can be conveyed through text
Gemini6Ice (19:03:15): One's life cannot be conveyed through a headshot
Gemini6Ice (19:03:21): THAT'S the difference